Richard Kruspe – interview 2011
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ivannaКогда-то летом мы обсуждали это интервью, и вот только сейчас дошли руки полностью проанализировать его.
Рихард дал это интервью американскому журналу в мае 2011 http://jammagazine.com/landing-main-feature.php?articleid=1084 . Что я вообще не поняла – почему он говорил через переводчика.
Интересно, как Рихард рассказывает о своем побеге из ГДР:
I travelled to Hungary and I walked to a border. I was by myself. It took three days to prepare myself physically to get ready for the journey. I had to exercise, run, I really trained myself. I followed the route refugees took to get out of the country. I came in on a rainy night. When I arrived, I had lost everything. I lost my friends, family and I was afraid. The good thing about East Germany was you always had a feeling that someone cared for you. I had no relatives in the West Germany.
JAM: So how exactly did you get into West Berlin?
Well, there were planes from West Germany to Berlin. The West territory was right in the middle of East Germany, like an island surrounded by water. If I wanted to go to West Berlin, I couldn't travel by land because a wall divided the city. The only chance anyone had at that particular time to get to the other side of Berlin was to get there by first going through Hungary, then on to a West Germany refugee camp. At the camp, they ask were would you want to go. I said West Berlin. So they flew me into West Berlin. The funny thing is, I ended up just a few meters where I had originally been before my escape.
JAM: Did you have to have papers to get into W. Berlin?
All I had was pictures of my family.
JAM: What did you do when you first got there?
I was sad. The first night I was at a club. It was scary. Then I was looking for another band to make music with. I found somebody, but it didn't work out. Then three months later the Wall came down. They opened it by accident. I don't know if you remember, but there was this guy in East Germany, a journalist who walked to the border and asked if he could go through. The guard said it wasn't a problem any more and he went to the other side. When people in West Berlin found out about it, they went to the border. I went to the border separating West and East Berlin. I was scared to go try it. I took one step toward East Berlin, then immediately stepped back. I then took two steps forward, and stepped back again. It was kind of funny. People were so excited. The energy was so high at this time. It was a milestone. Forty years this had gone on.
JAM: When you are in a refugee camp, do they send you to places where you can stay for awhile? Obviously you don't have any money.
The thing is, you have to have an address to go to in West Berlin, or you can't get into that part of the city. I had an address from a friend of mine in East Berlin, where if I had to stay for a week or so, this person would take me in. I called her up, and asked if I could stay with her. I explained the story of this guy who gave me her number, and she said of course I can stay. She gave me a room for a week. Then I looked for another room in the same house. This was my first experience in communal living.
JAM: Where did you work?
Well, I didn't work.
JAM: Then what did you do for money?
I used a trick. I was studying music in East Germany. Before I left, a friend of mine gave me papers that said I was a music teacher, but it wasn't true. I studied music by playing the guitar, so it was easy to convince them I knew what I was doing. All the sudden I was an unemployed music teacher in West Berlin. I was able to get money from their government for unemployment. The West Germans would recognize you worked in East Germany if you were able to get over to them. So they gave me unemployment and I had money to put a band together. If you are smart, the social system in Germany is pretty good, and you can get the money to live on.
Вот значит как это происходило. В июле 1989, в 22 года, после ареста и застенок Штази Рихард решил сбежать. Как обычный турист поехал в Венгрию, три дня готовился, перебежал границу с Австрией, оказался в лагере для беженцев в ФРГ – совершенно один, без гроша за душой, лишь с фальшивыми документами учителя музыки и фотографией родных. В лагере Рихард попросился, чтобы его направили в Западный Берлин – опять на фальшивом основании липовой знакомой. При этом он убедил эту липовую знакомую помочь ему. Господи, да у юного Круспе был уникальный дар убеждения и вранья. Наверно, ангельское личико хорошо помогало ему в этом. И еще. Рихард продумал и осуществил страшную по своей сложности и опасности схему. Тот Рихард, который сейчас рассказывает про то, что впадает в панические атаки от малейшей проблемы. Так что пусть Рихард щас не свистит. По этой истории с побегом видно, на что способен он и его нервы. Так что двойной европейско-американский тур Раммштайн он вполне может склепать. И управлять многомиллионным бизнесом тоже. Но назад к юному Рихарду. В Западном Берлине он наипал систему и помогавшую ему девицу. И не постеснялся пойти по рукам в том доме. И пойти на разные уловки, лишь бы не работать. Опять-таки, с его внешностью это было не трудно. Но приложив столько усилий, чтобы сбежать, Рихард не выдержал и вернулся в Восточный Берлин. Вот эта особенность его характера одна из самых удивительных: хотеть сбежать и возвращаться назад. То же самое произойдет и с Америкой. Рихард не любит П-Б, он хотел бы жить в Кройцберге, он хотел бы жить вообще у черта на куличках подальше от Берлина – но он вернулся в тот район, с которого начал свою берлинскую жизнь, и до сих пор там остается.
Про создание Раммштайн. Что у него общего с папой Олли?
JAM: Who started Rammstein with you exactly?
Oliver and Christoph.
JAM: So the guitarist naturally builds his band with the bass player and the drummer.
They were with me in East Germany before I left. We met up in West Berlin when the Wall went down. I knew Oliver's father from years ago. . I got his number and called him. I knew his father from years ago. I called him and we met up. All Oliver wanted to do was talk about the old times.
JAM: Was he still friends with Christoph?
They didn't know each other. I played with Christoph in a band called Die Firma.
И, конечно же, про Пауля:
JAM: What about adding another guitarist to the band, that can be tricky?
It's complicated, and I'll tell you why. The biggest ego in the band is always the guitar player. Paul is actually my total opposite. I say white, he'll say black. We are completely the opposite. It's really hard at times, but others, we compliment each other beautifully.
JAM: Does this silent competition between you two help you focus on writing really good songs as opposed to being lazy about it?
Sure. The thing is, right now we realize I am more talented in writing music, and he's more talented in producing. Right now, his biggest talent is telling you when you're shitty. When I bring a song to the band and he hears it, Paul will just say, "It's not good. Try it again." He is real good at finding your weakness. We've been together for years, so we all know each other's strength and weakness.
JAM: As a guitarist, why would you want another guitarist in the band?
I have no ideal. I worked with Paul, when I did my first band. He was the producer and engineer. I liked how he thought about the music. He was my other part. We complimented each other. When he got into the band, then it became a problem. He wasn't a threat, but it became a competition. But I believe deeply that this combination is a good one.
The thing about Paul is he's all about the song. In the end, it doesn't matter who writes the music, it's all about the band. Everyone has to agree when I come up with music and lyrics. The song has to go through the whole Rammstein process. It's hard and painful. When I put a demo together, they destroy everything. You have to turn a deaf ear to what they are saying.
JAM: Is it easy to set aside your ego if the rest of the band doesn't agree with the music you presented them?
No, it's hard, but I am learning. Rammstein is like therapy. You learn your strengths and your weaknesses. The good thing about this band is if you take the music too far in one direction, they quickly pull you back. That's good, I like it. The pressure isn't on us anymore.
Рихард должен был ооооочень глубоко внутри верить, что их существование с Паулем в одной группе – это хорошо. И как же Рихард повторяет всю свою жизнь – начиная с самых ранних интервью и до нынешних дней – что он учится сдерживать свое эго и принимать критику своих песен. Долго еще будет учиться? Что-то у него на практике обратный процесс получается. Как он жаловался в 2018, что Пауль "крайне критически" воспринимал его идеи для нового альбома. Серьезно? Нынешний Пауль крайне критикует Рихарда? Рихард забыл "Муттер"? Хотя Муттер-период всем нужно забыть.
И вот дилемма: искра между Рихардом и Паулем проскочила с самого начала их знакомства. Не будь Пауль в одной группе с Рихардом, уже в начале 90-х из этой искры могло что-то получиться, и не было бы годов ненависти, мучений и побегов. Но также не было бы феномента Раммштайн и нынешних нежных гитаристов. Стоило ли то, что они имеют сейчас, таких жертв? Вопрос чисто риторический, прошлое не изменить.
Рихард дал это интервью американскому журналу в мае 2011 http://jammagazine.com/landing-main-feature.php?articleid=1084 . Что я вообще не поняла – почему он говорил через переводчика.
Интересно, как Рихард рассказывает о своем побеге из ГДР:
I travelled to Hungary and I walked to a border. I was by myself. It took three days to prepare myself physically to get ready for the journey. I had to exercise, run, I really trained myself. I followed the route refugees took to get out of the country. I came in on a rainy night. When I arrived, I had lost everything. I lost my friends, family and I was afraid. The good thing about East Germany was you always had a feeling that someone cared for you. I had no relatives in the West Germany.
JAM: So how exactly did you get into West Berlin?
Well, there were planes from West Germany to Berlin. The West territory was right in the middle of East Germany, like an island surrounded by water. If I wanted to go to West Berlin, I couldn't travel by land because a wall divided the city. The only chance anyone had at that particular time to get to the other side of Berlin was to get there by first going through Hungary, then on to a West Germany refugee camp. At the camp, they ask were would you want to go. I said West Berlin. So they flew me into West Berlin. The funny thing is, I ended up just a few meters where I had originally been before my escape.
JAM: Did you have to have papers to get into W. Berlin?
All I had was pictures of my family.
JAM: What did you do when you first got there?
I was sad. The first night I was at a club. It was scary. Then I was looking for another band to make music with. I found somebody, but it didn't work out. Then three months later the Wall came down. They opened it by accident. I don't know if you remember, but there was this guy in East Germany, a journalist who walked to the border and asked if he could go through. The guard said it wasn't a problem any more and he went to the other side. When people in West Berlin found out about it, they went to the border. I went to the border separating West and East Berlin. I was scared to go try it. I took one step toward East Berlin, then immediately stepped back. I then took two steps forward, and stepped back again. It was kind of funny. People were so excited. The energy was so high at this time. It was a milestone. Forty years this had gone on.
JAM: When you are in a refugee camp, do they send you to places where you can stay for awhile? Obviously you don't have any money.
The thing is, you have to have an address to go to in West Berlin, or you can't get into that part of the city. I had an address from a friend of mine in East Berlin, where if I had to stay for a week or so, this person would take me in. I called her up, and asked if I could stay with her. I explained the story of this guy who gave me her number, and she said of course I can stay. She gave me a room for a week. Then I looked for another room in the same house. This was my first experience in communal living.
JAM: Where did you work?
Well, I didn't work.
JAM: Then what did you do for money?
I used a trick. I was studying music in East Germany. Before I left, a friend of mine gave me papers that said I was a music teacher, but it wasn't true. I studied music by playing the guitar, so it was easy to convince them I knew what I was doing. All the sudden I was an unemployed music teacher in West Berlin. I was able to get money from their government for unemployment. The West Germans would recognize you worked in East Germany if you were able to get over to them. So they gave me unemployment and I had money to put a band together. If you are smart, the social system in Germany is pretty good, and you can get the money to live on.
Вот значит как это происходило. В июле 1989, в 22 года, после ареста и застенок Штази Рихард решил сбежать. Как обычный турист поехал в Венгрию, три дня готовился, перебежал границу с Австрией, оказался в лагере для беженцев в ФРГ – совершенно один, без гроша за душой, лишь с фальшивыми документами учителя музыки и фотографией родных. В лагере Рихард попросился, чтобы его направили в Западный Берлин – опять на фальшивом основании липовой знакомой. При этом он убедил эту липовую знакомую помочь ему. Господи, да у юного Круспе был уникальный дар убеждения и вранья. Наверно, ангельское личико хорошо помогало ему в этом. И еще. Рихард продумал и осуществил страшную по своей сложности и опасности схему. Тот Рихард, который сейчас рассказывает про то, что впадает в панические атаки от малейшей проблемы. Так что пусть Рихард щас не свистит. По этой истории с побегом видно, на что способен он и его нервы. Так что двойной европейско-американский тур Раммштайн он вполне может склепать. И управлять многомиллионным бизнесом тоже. Но назад к юному Рихарду. В Западном Берлине он наипал систему и помогавшую ему девицу. И не постеснялся пойти по рукам в том доме. И пойти на разные уловки, лишь бы не работать. Опять-таки, с его внешностью это было не трудно. Но приложив столько усилий, чтобы сбежать, Рихард не выдержал и вернулся в Восточный Берлин. Вот эта особенность его характера одна из самых удивительных: хотеть сбежать и возвращаться назад. То же самое произойдет и с Америкой. Рихард не любит П-Б, он хотел бы жить в Кройцберге, он хотел бы жить вообще у черта на куличках подальше от Берлина – но он вернулся в тот район, с которого начал свою берлинскую жизнь, и до сих пор там остается.
Про создание Раммштайн. Что у него общего с папой Олли?
JAM: Who started Rammstein with you exactly?
Oliver and Christoph.
JAM: So the guitarist naturally builds his band with the bass player and the drummer.
They were with me in East Germany before I left. We met up in West Berlin when the Wall went down. I knew Oliver's father from years ago. . I got his number and called him. I knew his father from years ago. I called him and we met up. All Oliver wanted to do was talk about the old times.
JAM: Was he still friends with Christoph?
They didn't know each other. I played with Christoph in a band called Die Firma.
И, конечно же, про Пауля:
JAM: What about adding another guitarist to the band, that can be tricky?
It's complicated, and I'll tell you why. The biggest ego in the band is always the guitar player. Paul is actually my total opposite. I say white, he'll say black. We are completely the opposite. It's really hard at times, but others, we compliment each other beautifully.
JAM: Does this silent competition between you two help you focus on writing really good songs as opposed to being lazy about it?
Sure. The thing is, right now we realize I am more talented in writing music, and he's more talented in producing. Right now, his biggest talent is telling you when you're shitty. When I bring a song to the band and he hears it, Paul will just say, "It's not good. Try it again." He is real good at finding your weakness. We've been together for years, so we all know each other's strength and weakness.
JAM: As a guitarist, why would you want another guitarist in the band?
I have no ideal. I worked with Paul, when I did my first band. He was the producer and engineer. I liked how he thought about the music. He was my other part. We complimented each other. When he got into the band, then it became a problem. He wasn't a threat, but it became a competition. But I believe deeply that this combination is a good one.
The thing about Paul is he's all about the song. In the end, it doesn't matter who writes the music, it's all about the band. Everyone has to agree when I come up with music and lyrics. The song has to go through the whole Rammstein process. It's hard and painful. When I put a demo together, they destroy everything. You have to turn a deaf ear to what they are saying.
JAM: Is it easy to set aside your ego if the rest of the band doesn't agree with the music you presented them?
No, it's hard, but I am learning. Rammstein is like therapy. You learn your strengths and your weaknesses. The good thing about this band is if you take the music too far in one direction, they quickly pull you back. That's good, I like it. The pressure isn't on us anymore.
Рихард должен был ооооочень глубоко внутри верить, что их существование с Паулем в одной группе – это хорошо. И как же Рихард повторяет всю свою жизнь – начиная с самых ранних интервью и до нынешних дней – что он учится сдерживать свое эго и принимать критику своих песен. Долго еще будет учиться? Что-то у него на практике обратный процесс получается. Как он жаловался в 2018, что Пауль "крайне критически" воспринимал его идеи для нового альбома. Серьезно? Нынешний Пауль крайне критикует Рихарда? Рихард забыл "Муттер"? Хотя Муттер-период всем нужно забыть.
И вот дилемма: искра между Рихардом и Паулем проскочила с самого начала их знакомства. Не будь Пауль в одной группе с Рихардом, уже в начале 90-х из этой искры могло что-то получиться, и не было бы годов ненависти, мучений и побегов. Но также не было бы феномента Раммштайн и нынешних нежных гитаристов. Стоило ли то, что они имеют сейчас, таких жертв? Вопрос чисто риторический, прошлое не изменить.