Rammstein & sex

[ivanna]

У сусідньому пості мене запитали, невже між гітаристами дійсно є секс. Нє, дама просто так лягає під герра й розчепірює ротика

Мені здається, нинішні фани, захопившись іграшками, малюнками та прочим дитсадком, забули, хто такі раммштайни насправді. Хоча, канєшно, якщо подивитися на Ріхарда з його рожевими кофточками, червоною кепочкою, карикатурним мерчем і собачкою Пуссі на йолці… або на Пауля з його колекцією іграшкових цуциків – то в принципі фанів зрозуміти можна. Але все ж. Раммштайни взагалі і конкретно гітаристи – не герої дитячих історій. Це не два хлопчики, які вперше поцілувалися на сцені, і над ними запорхали сердечка. Це дорослі люди, які в середовищі Раммштайн постійно мали секс. І я не про звичайні трахи з группіз.

Широко відомо, що з самого початку існування Раммштайн раммштайни трахали баб на очах одногрупників. Широко відомо, що раммштайни влаштовували груповухи, у яких брали участь всі чи майже всі члени групи (no pun intended). І зараз я не хочу гладити по голівці адептів ідеї, що всі раммштайни трахали один одного, але реалії такі, що під час груповухи всяке може трапитися. Тож не треба робити великі очі від слів Ріхард, Пауль і секс у одному реченні.
У стосунках нинішніх гітаристів інтимні відносини мають своє значення, але головне те, як гітаристи ставляться один до одного – люблять один одного. Те, що між ними – це сама справжня ЛЮБОВ у повному сенсі цього слова. Той невинний жест, яким Пауль притискує до своїх грудей голову хворого Ріхарда, є більш вражаючим і навіть шокуючим, ніж секс.

Ну а щодо того, наскільки раммштайни звичні до інтиму – розкажу одну історію, яка трапилася під час позаминулого стадіонного туру. У гримерку до Тілля зайшов хтось із раммштайнів – не пам’ятаю, хто саме, але точно не Ріхард чи Пауль, їх би я не забула. Тілль саме, я вибачаюся, дрочив. Буквально. Раммштайна це геть не знітило, раммштайн залишився в гримерці робити те, по що прийшов, і заодно коментував Тіллю. І знову-таки, я не хочу заохочувати адептів загальнораммштайнового траху, але ніхто б не здивувався, якби той раммштайн допоміг Тіллю. Раммштайни реально вважають це цілком нормальним і не вартим особливої уваги.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for this post. I guess my comment may get a lot of hate, but I'm already so sick and tired of all those puppets and other crap with "minni landers official" on ig on top of it.
Richard may wear pink, I've always got this feeling he's sort of saying he's free, he doesn't care, he'll do it for the hell of it or because he feels like it. Same with Paul and some of his absurd outfits (a lot of those lately).
And while I can truly believe Paul has a soft spot for little dogs in his heart, I just can't imagine that he enjoys all that "cuteness" and the overpinked to the point of nausea, ridiculous sketches of him, his dog, and sadly also Richard (the "ich liebe Paulchard" towels). He'd rather, even at this point, make very mean jokes about people who create this. Sorry not sorry.
I really don't want to offend anyone, but this is fucking embarrassing. It might be funny and cool at the beginning but now one'd love to ask: hey guys, do you know Rammstein at all? Do you even listen to their music? Do you know what the lyrics are about? Sure, you go to every concert but don't you have sth like "Call me maybe" in your headphones?
Because that's your level, not Rammstein.
I honestly can't understand how a band with such quality music attracts so many people for whom this music is totally out of their reach. At one point, I thought Till and his behavior were to blame. And yet, same, or even worse, can be said when it comes to the guitarists, who seem to be generally viewed almost as two little girls who just got their first period. That really is embarrassing. Embarrassing and unfair.

[ivanna]

Let me hug you. It’s so nice to meet a person who shares my feelings.

Richard’s outfits are part of Richard’s open-mindness. He never hesitates to express himself. Paul’s style is a result of his quite questionable taste but Paul is always for a good laugh.

No one sketching Paul knows his real personality.

Those towels were beyond awful. I’m so proud of Richard, the way he ignored the print and made a nun joke. Let me remind you why the guitarists started their Auslander kissing in 2019 – that was a powerful support of the LGBTQ community, so necessary at that time. That meant a lot for many young people around the world. That meant a lot for Richard personally. It’s a shame to downplay it to stupid towels, toys etc. The shame on you, fans.

Why do those fans listen to Rammstein – it’s a question I constantly ask myself. Those girls with dolls and those row 0 whores as well. Spending so much money and effort to show their toys or tits. It’s not about Rammstein.
I’m glad Emigrate isn’t touring. I don’t want to see a circus like that around Richard’s music which is sacred to me.

Rammstein deserves better. The guitarists deserve better. They are a living breathing proof that “love is stronger than hate”. This proof is so needed now in our dark world. An example of how two strong personalities had overcome everything. Their story should be known. But for fans they are paulchard dolls.

[(Anonymous)]

If may I respond to this comment, and there is no hate, just willingness to try to explain something:
It is true that Rammstein is popular not only amongst rock fans, but also amongst mostly female young enthusiast of boys-bands, even despite the age of Rammstein's musicians.

I believe at some point the band had an image that attracted a lot of such fans (for example the "silver" era) and I recall Paul saying that they wanted pretty girls on the shows and that they played rock music (heavy riffs) but everyone was like "what do these faggots want here?".

So they must have been not only aware but also happy they've reached various types of audience... I don't know about now though.

As for Richard and Paul - they are a phenomenon in music or celebrity world in general. Their mad chemistry, their sweetness and onstage antics reach many people, also very various people. As I realized, that the blog author, Ivanna, has a lot of inside info and/or has watched their interviews, interactions etc. and analyzed it throughout.

But there are also other people, I'm sure a lot of young girls who don't know their story that well, who don't imagine who the guitarists are in real life, who are unexperienced themselves, probably don't have a stable relationship or children yet.
And they are attached to this magic, to his chemistry between Richard and Paul too.

And, honestly, when you see Richard tickle Paul's nose (!!!) on stage, on a metal concert, for a few minutes, and then kiss him with such a wide grin he can barely close his mouth (personally I've never seen anybody able to kiss the other person with such a broad smile), it is no wonder the guitarists are cherished also by those who spent half of their day watching kittens and hugging dolls...

And the nose tickling was one of many similar gestures between them. I wondered if imagining them being just so soft and cute with each other offstage, like, for example, watching a movie together while cuddled in bed and caressing each other is really so stupid? At the same time I'm not denying their other onstage behavior would suggest they're having mad sexual life as well (I'm not very good at interpreting body language, but I also cannot say it's impossible).

There's also one more thing. Ever since the relationship between the guitarists started to look as it does now, let's say in 2017, Rammstein as a band hasn't done interviews. No one commented on what's going on between the two men who have well-documented history of extremely rocky professional relationship. People are curious. People are wondering. People care. Because there is this power about them. And eventually, people miss them...

I think that's where fanfiction, dolls and sketches come from. We would love to experience their love more, and since there is nowhere to take it from, we create it in our own minds, sometimes young, sometimes unexperienced or even somewhat dull... Is it embarrassing? Maybe yes. But unfair...?
"Their story should be known" - I agree 1000%! But who will tell it? Here on this blog we can read small pieces, sometimes in the comments, there's Richard's bio but mostly as facts, not the whole story. Plus some meaning gets lost in translation. I guess in an ideal world the guitarists should write about their story themselves. Knowing what an impact and meaning it may have today. And knowing their story is turned into ridiculous fanfiction circus, if they may be really annoyed or bothered.

Also, I appreciate Richard's dedication to fight for LGBTQ community rights, but back in 2022 the kisses no longer seemed to have the political impact. It was part of the show. And while Paul visibly started to shy away from it, Richard kept pushing him. I remember during one show in 2022, once they approached each other at the end of Auslaender, Paul put his hands behind his back and significantly lowered his head. Richard started getting the audience to cheer for them, the audience wasn't responding enough, so eventually Paul just hugged him and have a peck on the cheek, to Richard's fair disappointment.

I don't think he's doing it for the audience, for the girls with Paulchard towels or the dolls, but he also doesn't seem to mind it or care about it. I think he just likes to express himself, no matter if somebody is looking or not, unlike Paul. Or maybe from time to time he just teases Paul, who is uncomfortable with PDA, but Richard loves to make him suffer just a little bit...

[ivanna]

Everyone is welcome to express their point of view as long as it is a pleasant civilized conversation. I respect the views of sane people.

I myself is an example how Rammstein can attract people who aren't into this kind of music. My preferences go with more traditional rock, not industrial, but you can see what Rammstein have done to me. So yes, absolutely, there are all kinds of people among Rammstein fans. But. Every new fan is green. Rammstein’s power and wisdom should stimulate green fans to learn, to study, to broaden their horizons, to push their limits. Again, I myself is a good example. Yes, I have some inside and did my Rammstein study. I worked to get it, my professional skills help me and I’m trying to share as much as I can. But most of the girl-fans (“girl” as state of mind, not real age) are perfectly fine being at the kindergarten level, they don’t want to know about the guitarists as real people. I have got a lot of hate for unveiling guitarists’ real personalities. We have a saying here: for people unfamiliar with physics, the world is full of magic. Those fans prefer to see only magic without understanding.
The guitarists are very complicated persons. They indeed have a cute side of tenderness, but this is only one side of many. Ignoring those other sides and pushing forward only cuteness is belittling.

Of course Rammstein members love all their fans and indeed they are happy to have all ages and all types in their audience.

Richard wanted to write his autobiography, he even started it in 2018. But…

Richard never did his moments with Paul for the show. Sure, he enjoyed fans’ attention and encouraged fans, but he approached Paul because he wanted to have a moment with Paul. His closeness with Paul behind the drums, behind or under the stage – that’s so telling.

[(Anonymous)]

Почитала посты про гитаристов.
По вашей теории выходит, что Рихард с первого взгляда безответно влюблен в Пауля, а тот, так уж и быть, снизошел на мимолетную близость на старости лет (а так-то он носится с Ариэллой).
И вот вы пишите про девочек- розовых ванилек и фанфиках, а сами называете Рихарда дамой, которая ложиться под герра.
Типа вот мечтать, что у них все хорошо и они обнимаются/милуются и живут вместе - это бред, а то, что Рихард как был одиноким (в плане партнера) так и остался и может быть Пауль иногда (когда отвлечется от жены и своих дел) проведет с ним какое-то время - это вот такие взрослые отношения гитаристов.

[ivanna]

Какой-то у вас избирательный анализ моих текстов.

Я нигде никогда не писала, что Пауль проигнорировал любовь юного Рихарда. Я мало знаю про юного Пауля, но судя по поведению Рихарда – тогда, в конце 1980-х, чувства между ними были взаимными. Ариелла появилась в конце 1990-х. Так что прежде чем перекручивать мои теории, выучите хронологию.

А разве Рихард не лег под Пауля на интро МТ в Турине-2022? Что до моей привычки называть Рихарда феминитивами – это уже много раз мусолилось на дневе. Он сам дал повод к этому, разглагольствуя о своем женском и мужском Я и называя себя Королевой. Ну а поскольку нынешний Рихард сильно растерял королевскую высокомерность, то я понизила его до статуса дамы.

Они живут вместе, ходят под ручку в магазин и выбирают одежку для совместной собачки – да, это бред, если такие мечты спроецировать на реальных Рихарда Круспе и Пауля Ландерса. Точно такой же бред считать, что Рихард сейчас одинок. Как-то вы в своем анализе моих текстов полностью проигнорировали тот абзац, где я пишу, что чувства гитаристов – это настоящая любовь. Такая любовь не требует домика за белым забором.

[(Anonymous)]

"ходят под ручку в магазин и выбирают одежку для совместной собачки" - если бы такое увидела, сама б их расстреляла😂 хотя вроде к гадалке ходили под ручку;)

[ivanna]

ну я честно говоря не знаю, как именно они ходили к гадалке. Но вполне вероятен вариант, що Рихард под ручку тащил упирающегося герра, или герр под ручку поддерживал нервничающего Рихарда.

[(Anonymous)]

"Guitar players' feelings are true love. This kind of love does not require a house behind a white fence"


I think some of us probably don't know how this true love should be understood... I agree it's not serious to expect them choosing clothes for Paul's dog, I also think Minni used to be a "shared" dog of Paul and Arielle, so perhaps making her Paul and Richard's "baby" is pretty stupid indeed...
But... I read people (or a person?) extremely close to the band said, and I quote, that they have the love without halftones and they love each other as a man and a woman. Forgive me if I don't see something obvious, but don't people who love each other like that usually live together?
Now it seems Richard isn't alone (and it was said specifically when it comes to having a partner, not for example his daughters), so he has a girlfriend (or boyfriend, but apparently not Paul). Meanwhile, I also read Arielle wasn't at the last shows, as she always used to, apparently she didn't even go on vacations with Paul this year...
I just don't get it...

[ivanna]

Let me explain. My daughter is my other half. We love each other very much, but we don’t live together, she has her life and I have mine. But there always is this feeling inside – the feeling of presence. I'm never alone because I always have a mental connection with her. Closeness is quite possible without living together. Even a man and woman closeness. Richard has neither girlfriend or boyfriend, he has Paul.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for the answer! I understand the guitarists can have the true love even not living together. It's just - often such couples not only live together, but share the bed on daily basis. Usually, not always. And if the guitarists are sexually active (with each other), about which was the whole post, they simply must spend time together, maybe it's much less time than some fans imagine... but overall, just the idea about them living together is not that stupid, even if not true, I believe. Because something like that does happen in real life. All the other things in fanfiction, the ideas, what they do or what they talk about are another story.

During the tours, even though they shared the scene, they craved each other's company quite badly. Sometimes even after this short separation for "floating" from the B stage to the main one, they gave each other a kiss and a hug as if they already missed each other. I think that's why many people think they do spend a lot of time together. Of course I try to acknowledge that their emotions can be totally different on stage, during the performance, and once they are in their "normal" lives. I just want to explain why some people have such vision of them, and it's not entirely taken out of blue.

I also start thinking, especially when I read about how much Paul wants and needs his privacy, that even if they live together and you know about it, you will still say it's ridiculous and not true, just out of respect for his privacy...

[ivanna]

Real life, adult life is about compromises. Finding just the right scheme where everything works for everyone. Because our guitarists have very strong and complicated personalities, the traditional ways aren’t working with them. They had to create some sort of visiting marriage maximally comfortable for both of them. Maybe one of them wants more of the marriage thing. Maybe one of them isn’t ready yet. They have to compromise.

Right, during stadium tours they were inseparable. Adrenaline, emotional high increases feelings and gives freedom to outstep boundaries. It’s like a honeymoon or a romantic vacation: feelings are bursting, but one can’t keep this level of emotions forever, that’s destroying.

No, I never lie. If I don’t want to reveal something I just say nothing.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll say this - yes, I agree with the Guest's comment in theory, but in practice I don't see the guitarists, or even just Paul, being cherished and missed this way: I see ridiculous drawings of Paul partially in his stage outfit and partially in some pink crap in his hair, next to the ridiculous drawing of his dog dressed(!) in the rest of Paul's outfit. On the pink background.
I don't know Paul personally, I also doubt he cares about such things much. I think he even tagged that page in one of his dog's pictures. Paul seems to love the ridiculousness in general, so why not.
But... if he saw all those sketches... I can easily imagine him asking the page creator to shoot him. Twice.

As for fanfiction, for me, it'd be wildly satisfying if Paul read some of those and sincerely commented on it. I don't mention Richard because he's too good as a celebrity and a person to ruthlessly crush somebody who, at the end of the day, is at least some sort of their fan. But I guess Paul would do just fine, even now. There's one particular "writer" who has seen one scene between the guitarists and figured their sexual life all out. You just won't prove them wrong, they KNOW. By the way, the very "writer" might be one of Tanya's (the blog author) haters since they accuse her of being homophobic, which I find just beyond hilarious.

As for the different fans' backgrounds - just like Tanya, I've never been a fan of the genre Rammstein performs. I'm a Depeche Mode fan first, and that's how I "came" to Rammstein, to the guitarists in particular. By the way, I've read that quote from Paul about how they were seen as faggots, and it somewhat upset me since I thought at least a part of their image back then was inspired by DM. Interestingly enough, DM don't have this type of fangirlies - with sketches, dolls, and fanfiction.
And, another by the way, I've always got the feeling Richard's feather coat could be inspired by the Playing the Angel aesthetic and Martin's stage outfit, with this little exception that it was white, not black. When I saw "The Rooster" merch, I honestly thanked the Lord beyond us all that DM fans don't draw sketches....

I agree with all that was said about the guitarists; they're unique and deserve way more (healthy) recognition. My dream would be for them to have a side project, something entirely aside from Rammstein, just the two of them. But the more I learn about them, the more impossible I find it. I was sad to read Richard has started writing the autobiography; I'm afraid the problem is - he'd like to have a part, maybe even a significant one, of it dedicated to his relationship with Paul, and Paul's like "No way". He's not comfortable with being exposed, and I think it should be at least somewhat respected.

[ivanna]

I’m a homophobe?! That’s just… WOW! I was called a sexist because I really don’t like feminist shit but homophobia… Those idiots aka fans don’t understand: running around with rainbow unicorns has nothing to do with the luxury of being oneself.

I don’t think any other metal band has so much ridiculous kindergarten shit in its fandom. Rammstein always gets to the extreme: with whores, with fangirls…

That Rooster still makes me cringe. But I have got an impression that Richard’s coat was inspired by Elvis. Well, only Richard knows.

Don’t worry, Richard aborted his autobiography shortly after the start. Maybe because he had no time, maybe because he realized it would be a violation of Paul’s privacy. Despite Richard’s playfulness on stage when he demanded kisses, in real life Richard respects Paul’s wishes. Their respect is a strong foundation of their love.

[(Anonymous)]

Well if not liking feminist shit is sexist then I guess having a brain is the new definition of sexism.

No no, I didn't mean Richard may not respect Paul wishes, I meant Paul's fans. Sure I'd love to know about them more myself, I also agree their biography would be valuable on many different levels, but ah well, if Paul feels how he feels with it, what can you do... Personally I hope Richard will convince him someday, but we all know what they say about hope.

[ivanna]

Let’s see what they have done with their documentary, how personal it is. Maybe we’ll be surprised. Maybe.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, let's see. Btw, when I wrote I was sad about Richard starting to write, I meant it's sad that he dropped it.

[(Anonymous)]

События в комментариях развиваются быстрее, чем в реальной жизни.
Сложилось впечатление, что слово любовь обуславливается только романтической частью. Неужели ни у кого нет лучшего друга, с которым у вас много общих воспоминаний, поддержки, заботы и т.д. и это не значит, что вы должны вместе жить и заводить семью.
Прям не смогла молча пройти мимо.

[ivanna]

Это несложно, учитывая, что в реальной жизни вообще ничего не происходит.

Вот. Именно. К сожалению, этот нюанс теряется при переводе, но можно заметить, что по отношению к гитаристам я очень редко применяю термин КОХАННЯ. Это слово означает любовь между влюбленными. Я использую термин ЛЮБОВЬ и подчеркиваю – любовь в полном смысле. И романтическом, и дружеском, и любовь между коллегами, и все прочее. Гитаристы – партнеры во многих отношениях.

[(Anonymous)]

Пришлось обратиться на всякий случай к Википедии)
Проблема не в терминах каханне, коханне, любовь, love или переводе. Проблема в зашоренности восприятия или непонимании спектра чувств, возможно в силу возраста.
И наконец-то я поняла, что во всей ветке так зацепило: то, что гитаристов воспринимают как ограниченных, не способных увидеть что-то дальше физического. Этот факт почему-то огорчил больше всего.

[ivanna]

Увы, взгляд на инста-аккаунты ярых адептов детсадовских приторных паульхардов показал, что это женщины 30+, 40+, т.е. вполне взрослые бабы. Также я знаю девчонок 20+, которые понимают меня с полуслова и осознают глубину гитаристов.

Каждый судит по себе. Потому и гитаристов каждый судит по уровне своего развития.